20 Years on the LPGA Tour With Her Dad on the Bag | Brittany Lincicome, Retired LPGA Pro #066

Hey everyone, it's Karissa from Shining Light on Minnesota. I'm super excited. I have one of my all-time favorite golfers here, Brittany Lincicome. She's been on the veteran, been on the LPGA tour for 20 years. Super excited. She's also golfed on the PGA tour. Can't say I'm humbled enough to have her here today. Welcome, Brittany. Hi. Thank you for having me. You bet. So, eight LPGA Tour wins, including two majors, and one of the long drive hitters. You've succumbed so many obstacles being on tour, and now you've retired. What has retirement been like? I actually think 2025 has been one of my favorite uh years, just uh playing a little bit, but not as competitive. So kind of, you know, taking a backseat, if you will, just like a little bit of like just enjoying the process and not always grinding it out, you know, trying to I mean, the competitor in me still wants to win every time, but just kind of taking it in more. Uh my husband catti a few times this year, which was awesome. The girls, I have two daughters, three and six years old, who got to come out in the summer and travel with us. Um just doing some charity outings here and there. So it's it's actually been an amazing year. I mean, obviously eight wins. I've done a lot on the LPGA, but I think this year might be up there in my one of my favorites just because it's been more relaxing. Kind of just enjoying it more, taking it all in, traveling with the family. Uh, it's been great. I think one thing that our viewers probably don't realize is the stress that goes with the traveling, being on tour, having a kids, but being a mom when you're on tour. Tell everybody a little bit. Yeah, the travel alone, um, I feel like 20 years ago was better. It's just that now it's just unpredictable with delays, cancellations, lost bags, um all that fun stuff, and then throwing one kid and now two kids into the mix. Um you know, obviously we get there like 3 hours early to make sure we're on time, nothing can go wrong. Um but yeah, this I mean golf is stressful in itself. You you're competing every week trying to beat everybody and then obviously the traveling now with the family, it's just it adds a little bit extra in there. But, um, it it's been very cool to show my girls, you know, what mommy does. And, uh, it's been really exciting. And now they're getting to the age where they're kind of starting to understand it a little bit more, too. And have they gotten into the golf at all themselves? They're starting to pick up the clubs and really kind of take take a inspiration or taking any looks to it. Yeah, the six-year-old does the first tea of St. Petersburg on Saturday mornings. She's been doing really really good. you know, we just whether they play with their dad and I or a high school level, college level, whatever it may be, it's just such a wonderful game that every child I feel like should play the game. I mean, you can play it till you're 100. There's so many business deals made on the golf course. Everyone should pick up the game. Um, so that's been really exciting. I did put her in T-ball this season and her T-ball swing is really messing up her golf game. Um, so I signed her up for two uh the twoe class during Christmas for golf. So hopefully we can kind of get the groove of the golf swing back in a little bit because right now it's a chopping motion instead of getting into it instead of [laughter] So she'll get it. She's sick. She's fine. Kind of one of those things. It's hard to like I have three kids myself and I've played golf all my life, high school, college, whatever that may be. And none of them play golf. I'm like, what is going on here? Like this is the most frustrating thing. You had the basketball, you had the baseball, you had the volleyball. And now my very youngest is 16. My daughter played a little bit, but my 16-year-old is now finally obsessed. He's 16 and he's playing golf. And I'm like, "Okay, guys, it took you 16 years to play golf." Like, what's going on? But at least you're playing. I'm not going to complain. Yep. I love it. It's It's absolutely amazing. Now he's out there every single day. Just can't get him off the course. It's so much fun. But yeah, it's a lot. It sounds like my husband, you know, obviously we've been together probably 15 years total. We married 10 for in December. And we met in golf and now he's like wanting to pick it up again. And I'm like, it figures that I'm now retiring that you're going to pick up the sport again. So um that's been fun. We've been playing probably a one or two days a week um together. So that's been really fun. Yeah. I mean it's interesting because when I played competitively, which was high school, college, everything like that, I took about 12 years off when I had my kids and you kind of get out of the competitive side of it. And then you get like kids are old enough now you can start playing again. But it's a fine line between okay, now they're old enough. Do you start playing again and get competitive? You don't ever lose [laughter] competitiveness, but it's like, okay, having fun, but do you start playing in more tournaments again, do you not? It's a slippery slope. It's one of those things that's fun. It really is. Yes. [laughter] So, girls in golf, let's talk your strength, let's talk your length, everything like that. What was it like getting all the length, all the distance, and how did you prepare for all of that? I just came natural. You know, I started playing when I was nine. Um, I had two older brothers that played, so I think I just had to hit the ball far. Um, you know, they didn't let me play an up tee. I just kind of played the same TE's they played and, uh, just had to learn how to swing hard, which is great. I feel like every child should do that, you know, you can always, you know, dial it back in later. But, if you don't I feel like if you don't teach how to swing hard early, it's hard to pick up. You know, now older people you see doing all the the weighted swing stuff or the swing speed stuff, and it's just hard to pick up miles per hour. So, I love seeing the kids swing hard. Um, I've I love hitting. Driver is my favorite club in my bag. Um, still to this day, I mean, I played in a proam yesterday and the guys are like, "Wow, you still hit it so far." And in my head, I'm like, "No, I don't." Like, when I te it up at an LPJ event, I'm now getting outd. But, um, I I've always had the driver far. I love my driver. And, uh, yeah. How has it been? Because I mean I'm I'm older than you obviously. I'm I'm not going to say my age, but I'm getting close to saying my age. I was but I mean I'm hitting at 240 250 and I'm I've always played the men's TE's. Yeah. And you go to those mixed events or you go to everything and they're always like you should play from the ladies. I'm like there's not a ladies tea. I'm sorry. I play play my distance, everything like that. But you get out there and I'm still always trying to hit the ball farther. I don't care how old I am. It's we've got a simulator. You always work on work on getting it further. And no matter how old you are, you're always working on the distance. Driver is my favorite as well. So, what do you do to work on distance, hitting it further, getting more distance, obviously, than just swinging further? Um, I think, uh, flexibility is a huge thing. You know, the older we get, the stiffer we get, and you're not able to get in those positions that you your body needs to get in for your swing. Um, so I think, you know, flexibility is a huge thing, whether that's stretching or a yoga class or whatever that may be, but that is a big part of it. Uh, and then getting a club that's fit for you properly. You know, a lot of people think, "Oh, I'll just go to the local store or Dicks and pick up a club off the rack and it's going to be great." Yeah, that first day you take it out, it might be the best driver you've ever hit, but over time it's not it's not going to work. So, um, I think flexibility and then, uh, getting a club that fits you properly is very important. Right. So, playing in LPGA versus PGA, what has been the big difference? What's been the big difference? Oh, no, you're good. What's been the big difference between playing on the PGA and the LPGA versus You see Lexi out there. Obviously, you've been doing it. Yeah. Now versus two years ago. Um, it's been great. Um, you said from the PGA to the LPJ. Yeah. I mean, they're starting to let more people in now. you see like the in the invitationals, all the other things are starting to let more people in and teaming up and doing different things like that. Yeah, that Grand Thornon event at the end of the year I still would love to play and I would love to te pair up with a guy and play but um so Barbazol a few years ago was my sponsor so that's how I got into that PGA Tour event and I was really like 50/50 on what to do. You know, I knew the media and I knew social media I was going to get some like backlash for it. So, you know, my agent and I talked about it, my family and I talked about it, and then at the end of the day, it was like, hey, like I know in my heart it's a sponsor invite. It's not taking a spot from the field. Um, my sponsor asked me to do it. Like, I should say yes and do it. I' I've actually always wanted to do it. I didn't think I would ever have the opportunity, but so when um Tom Murray from Barbasaw came to me and said, "Hey, we we have this spot. We'd love you to play." I was like, "Okay, I'll do it." You know, and the everyone was so nice. The media was so nice. The fans were so nice. Um, unfortunately the week of the tournament, we got like four or five inches of rain on Monday. So, the course played so much longer than I could have even like prepared for. Um, so, you know, I had a great second round, but my first round, I think just a little bit of the nerves, you know, teeing it up with these guys I had never met. Um, and then just the golf course playing longer just kind of didn't go my way. But shot underpower the second round, which is pretty fantastic. I I just I finally like was like, "Hey, we're just going to go out and have fun. Whatever happens happens." And then obviously that's when you play your best. So, um but it was a very cool experience. Happy I did it. Um yeah, everyone was super nice. Well, and you see like Lexi out there now killing it. Absolutely. Doing the best that she can do. You have like the internet invitational. All the men and women are finally starting to come together, which is super exciting. Playing the same TE's. People don't understand that ladies have the same distance off or they have different distances off the tea, but all the other shots are the exact same. Yep. And the flop shots are the same. Everything else is the same, [laughter] which people don't realize. I know. I tried telling people that like um Yeah, we don't fly at 350 like they do. But that next shot, we can do the same as they can do, especially around the green, chipping and putting. Um you know, our international players, I mean, they get it up and down from everywhere. That's why they're always in the top 10. Um it's really cool to watch. Um even the men watching the men's short games, like their hands are just a little bit quicker than ours. They can put a little bit more spin on the ball, but um our girls can do it the exact, you know, other than not hitting a 350, like we're basically the same. And I try telling people that all the time. Yes. Well, the long irons are hitting a 3-wood into the green might be a little bit more difficult to get it to stop, but Yes. But some of those girls, I mean, they have a bouquet of head covers in their bags and they they know how to work those clubs. They're I mean, oh yeah, they're longest iron might be an eight iron or even a seven iron and then they start with the woods and I mean you can hit those things so high and soft. So, um yeah, there's been many times where I'm hitting an iron and a girl's hitting a hybrid and hits it closer and I'm like, how did she just do that? It's magical. It's crazy. So, the LPGA rarely shows swing speed, carry, all that kind of stuff. Is that because of lack of equipment or is that because we just don't have the technology to do that? Technology to [laughter] do it. They need to get that great. People would love to see it. I mean, I know. I'm like, God, she's really killing the ball. I want to see what she's carrying and what it is out there. Yes. Yeah. To have that shower thing like, oh god, that would be so cool. Or I've seen a couple times where they've done like the whoop to see like what the heart rate was. I would love to see that on players every week because I I still to this day get super nervous any tournament that I just played in a member pro at a local course with a gentleman I had never met. So I felt like that made me more nervous because I wanted to do good for him. Um but I would have loved to have seen even my heart rate just for some little event like that. Like um it's got to be off the charts. Yeah. Or just getting the proams and it's like okay some some random person I'm playing with. I'm like I know my heart rate's up there. I can feel my blood pressure going. Like let's let's see where we're at. That's a because we're competitors and b we want to do good. So it's makes sense. Yep. I think it's almost any tournament that you play and you're up on the first te. It's like okay time to bring it. Let's go. Let's get this out there. Exactly. So if you could have an ideal for some and what format would it be? Who would you play with and what would it be? Oh that is a great question. Yeah. Um, I don't really know too many other guys, but I mean like a Tiger Jack Gary player situation would probably be really cool. Um, but even on like my side, like just to go play a round of golf with Julie Inkster, she is by far the funniest person I have ever met. I think actually Pat Bradley would be up there too cuz she's pretty amazing. Um, and then maybe my dad because he he he my dad was really good when I was nine. And then he's probably a scratch golfer, but just an average Joe golfer. And then shortly after I started playing, gave it up because it was too expensive for us to both play. You know, those sacrifices your family gives to get their daughter where they are. Um, right. So, I feel like I'd have to include him even though he doesn't play golf anymore. But just to have him out there, it'd be cool to kind of round out the four. And we definitely do a scramble because I hate playing my own ball. I love a scramble, right? Because you get to play your own ball all year round. It's like, let's do let's do something fun. Even the shamble, I forget halfway through through the round and I'm like, oh, I'll hit driver off the deck and try to cover the water and then I hit it in the water and I'm like, yeah. Oh, why did I do that? Why wasn't a flash [laughter] me? Yeah. So, let's dig back a little bit. Let's talk about your last round having your dad on the bag. How special was that? How amazing was that? That was just the last hole because you couldn't do it all. But it was so cool. I mean, again, to have a parent, you know, start your career and get you to where you are and then cuz he carried my first year and a half on tour and then for him to carry the last toll of my last like full season on tour. Um, we both like couldn't look at each other the whole entire time because we both started crying every time we looked at each other and I was like, I have to hit a golf ball with my eyes watering. I've got to finish this somehow. Yeah, it was such a special moment. And then obviously got to the 18th green and both my girls and husband, mom and everybody were there. Um, so that was really cool. Oh, speak of the devil. Okay, you got no I got to do this. Please go, go, go. Please, please, please, please. Here, take this. Take this. Go, go, go, go, go fast. Sorry. Um, but it was a really cool moment. It felt like it just kind of like tied it all in from the start to the end. Um, it was it was pretty magical. Yes. Pretty cool. So, with your pregame routine when you were starting off, what was what were all some of your practice rounds like? And how much practicing did you do when you started off to when you ended up? A lot of players don't understand the time. They don't understand any of that. They just want to pick up and think, "Hey, I'm going to be on tour and I'm gonna go because YouTube tells me how." I'm gonna blow your mind and tell you that I hardly ever practiced. Yeah. I uh still to this day, I haven't taken a golf lesson since 2006. Um was just naturally given an amazing talent of see the ball, hit the ball. It might go left occasionally, but that is my biggest miss. And um but I love to play like I'd rather if I were to go practice or work on anything, I want to go on the golf course because I just visually the driving range is hard for me. Some people like going back to Julie Inkster, that woman will be on the range eight hours a day. Like I'll hit balls in the morning before I go play a practice round. I'll come back and she's still hitting balls and I'm like Stacy Lewis is the same. They out there and they hit thousands of golf balls. But that's how they that's how their swings, you know, that's how they worked on their game. Uh whereas me like I'll play nine holes on Monday, nine holes on Tuesday, and then the pro our most of our programs now are nine holes on Wednesday. So, I would much rather go on the course, hit it out of the rough, put it behind a tree, put it in the fairway bunker around the green, play multiple balls and just do it. Yeah. Multiple balls around, especially around the greens, getting a feel for how the grass is, the grain is, you know, putting, you know, all that good stuff. Um, but yeah, growing up, I I I probably I mean, I definitely practice more back in the day, but just especially once the year started, the year's so long, it's a grind. There was definitely I did a really good job of balancing of taking days off. And when I came home, you know, I love to fish. Um I love movies. Yeah. Do stuff instead of like golf golf, you know, every day. Like um you know, you see a lot of our Asian players, you know, they like eat, sleep, drink, golf. But I think just in America, we just we have too many sports we can play. There's too many other things that you can do. And um kids get burned out too quickly if you like really focus on one thing too hard. So, I like, you know, kids playing different sports, but still putting in the time, obviously. Um, but short game, I think, is if you're going to go practice anything, short game is always where you go because that's where you're going to save the most amount of strokes for sure. You've got to get the putting in the short game down because if you don't, [clears throat] you're going to lose it. Definitely those five footers because if your chipping is a little off and you have those fivefooters all day, you got to be able to make those every time and occasionally maybe a sevenfooter or so to kind of keep the momentum going or the round going. But yeah, those are the the fi inside five feet is where it's at. And the mental game. [laughter] That's very helpful. Yeah, that's a whole another area. You got to have a little bit of that, too. I don't think we have time for that part of that conversation. No, that's that's a whole another circus, right? [laughter] So, how how long did it take you to I mean, obviously you grew up with brothers, you like to do the fishing, everything like that. What else do you do on the other side that you like to do? Obviously, the movies, the fishing, everything like that. Yeah, just being home. I mean, after traveling for 20 years now, everyone's like, "Are you going to go on a trip? Are you going to go on a vacation?" And I'm like, "Just being at my own house in my own bed, is like the most amazing thing." You know, we live in a a beautiful golf community. Um, so going to the club on Friday nights with the kids and they're all running around. I mean, it's just it's just cool to be a part of something local here at home. Um, I'm pretty low. I'm pretty lazy on most occasions, but not being lazy. I think people don't understand when you do so much traveling, your being home is one of the best things that you can do. I know with work, I do a lot of traveling. Everybody's like, "Are you going on any trips?" I'm like, "My trips being home." Like, I'm good. Want to get on an airplane if I don't have to. Oh. What's the favorite course that you've played? I mean, it's kind of like cliche, I think, but like Pebble Beach is I'm actually going there next week for a tournament. Um, I mean, I've taken thousands of photos and every doesn't even come close to doing it justice how pretty it is. And again, I think it's we live on the water. I'm from Florida. I love fishing. So, I literally could just stare at the water the entire day. Like, it's just so pretty. I mean, uh, we used to have a tournament in the Bahamas that I won twice. Um, again, I just literally you find yourself staring into the water and it's like, oh, I could just look at this all day. It's so pretty. Live here all day. Yeah. I went to Ireland and I played old head of Canail which is kind of like Pebble Beach on steroids and that's Yeah. I'm like that's I'll live here all day long and I'll be fine. I can just go on the water and be good. Exactly. It is so It never gets old. Um but yeah, it's it's a cool spots. Anything by the water, I love those. But our um I'd say Oakmont or Sabonic are probably my like one or two of the like hardest golf courses I've ever played. Yeah. Um, anything US Open involved? KPMG has really taken us to some cool some cool places more so late. Now that I'm retired, I'm not getting in these ones like Riviera and I'm like, h would love to go play there. Um, but [clears throat] yeah, there's we've been to some cool spots, but I think I think Oakmont's probably the hardest golf course I ever played. Yeah. So, let's tell our viewers a little bit about the 2015 win over the playoff of Stacy Lewis, just because they probably a lot of them probably haven't heard or don't know about that one. Yeah. So, um, again, it's, uh, a tournament out in Palm Springs. The last hole is par five, reachable par five, assuming you can hit it in the fairway. Uh, and then you hit to an island green, which I feel like the first year I didn't really noticed that it was fully an island. Like, I don't know what I thought even though I I played that [laughter] bowl a bazillion times before. Um, 2009, got lucky. like went to the back of the green, came back to like four or five feet and then 15, you know, I wasn't I don't look at the leaderboard first of all, but I knew I wasn't like leading the tournament. You can't because if you look at the leaderboard then you're like crap, I'm going to just put myself like I knew I was trying to make a birdie on that hole anyway. Like you're going to go if you're in the fairway, you're going for it anyway. So again, this time I had a shorter club. The first time I had like a hybrid. I think this time I had a five iron. Uh hit almost the identical shot. Went up to the back of the green, rolled back. This time it was probably like eight or 10 feet. So, a little bit further and again I'm like, "Oh, if I make a birdie, I'm just making more money this week and moving up the leaderboard." Um, and then I somehow made this like amazing putt. It was probably only like right center. It wasn't like a breaking putt, but still like everyone watching on the 18th hole. I'm a couple groups from the lead. Like I was wasn't that far out of it. Um, so I make this eagle. I think I jump up and down just I felt like I needed to do something but I wasn't sure what to do and my brain was like, "Oh, let's jump up and down." So then I look back and I'm like, "Wow, you really looked really silly." Um, but then yeah, then my caddy had to tell me like, "Oh, like you're tied." Or I don't I can't remember what Stacy did coming down, but I was like, "Oh my gosh, we might have to go to a playoff like um again, not looking at the leaderboard, I had no clue." So it was so funny. And then I think we did threehole playoff or three or four whole playoff with Stacy. Um, so by the time we got we both played that bowl so bad every time for the playoff. and the each time you play it, it's getting later and later into the night and Palm Springs it's kind of chilly. So, um towards the end we couldn't go for it anymore. We were laying up and then we our wedge games both were so bad. Um so it took multiple holes um just cuz we were not doing very well. But um yeah, to kind of get the win over your like she's one of my good buddies on tour, so that's always challenging. But at the end of the day, I just tried to remind myself somebody had to win, somebody had to lose, and I was just happy it was me. Yeah. read. It's like, okay, I'm physically, mentally exhausted, kind of falling apart. Let's just get this done, but let's let's have a winner. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. What was one of your most memorable times on tour? Was it that one? Which one was there? Was there one of your most memorable ones? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like um I know it's always hard to pick like the major win or representing your country is always like I mean that's definitely up there obviously but I feel like I always go back my first win my dad was on my bag was my caddy uh it was a match play event so my first win was a match play event with my dad on the bag again just your family sacrificing everything to get you where you are um to get that win with him it was it was so cool I mean you never know if you're going to like keep your car do well enough like all these things and then to get a win um it was pretty special. Yeah. So, growing up obviously it's it's a lot for our viewers. They probably don't know but how was the struggle growing up just getting your tour card and getting to where you were having having everything you know obviously the cost [clears throat] getting there with your family everything like that. A lot of people don't realize what that struggle is like and it's a lot the cost is is a huge part of it. Um I think back in the day like when I turned pro so again my parents there's we own a daycare still to this day there's school teachers so we [clears throat] don't have a lot of money. Um so to I did homeschooling from middle school through high school so I could practice a little bit more you know miss some school to go do some junior tournaments. Um, so to have both parents like out traveling with me, my dad catting for me, I think it was probably 60,000 a year at that time, uh, to travel for the year and that was, you know, as little like, you know, coach tickets every week, cheapest cars, sometimes staying in housing, um, trying to do like the cheapest way possible. So, um, but it was great, you know, having my parents, you know, you have that team, that support around you. I think a lot of especially more like international players that come over to the LPGA if you don't have a support system and you just are kind of thrown into the LPGA by yourself. It's very lonely and I think that could be a part of why some girls don't make it. Um so my family was obviously there every week. My dad still to this day comes to every tournament now. He has to watch the girls when I travel if it's not the summer. So he didn't get to come too much this year. Um but prior to this year, I mean I think he's been to every tournament. So he loves coming out. loves watching and um but yeah, I I would never have made it without both of them, you know, coming out and supporting me and um but it because it is very expensive and obviously your I had a couple family friends, you know, loan me some money and I had to pay them back the next year. So, that was obviously very helpful. Um but if you don't have sponsors to do it, it's it's very tricky in these girls and guys that are trying to work and then play golf on the side, try, you know, trying to make money and then uh go do some mini tour stuff. It is so hard. Um, so yeah, it's it's definitely a grind. Yeah, and you have to I mean, even with the sponsorships, you have to be careful who you what you say, what you do, where you go, who you represent, don't like the clubs. I mean, it's just it's a tricky game. If you want to play a certain putter, kind of all the [clears throat] So, you've had you've had all that stuff. Do you still have any sponsorships or do you still carry around any of the stuff? Obviously, um, I have a couple. Well, my hat sponsor stayed with me all year, which was really nice. Uh, my clothing, Abacus, they stayed with me, which was again was really nice. Um, and then I actually have a new sponsor, this one. Um, they're going to sponsor me for next year, which is really cool. So, I mean, again, playing five or six tournaments and doing these outings. I'm still out there. So, I'm like, why would you not want to sponsor me? Why wouldn't you not continue to play golf? It's not like you're just still playing. you're still out there helping the first team, [clears throat] getting the girls involved, getting the kids involved doing what you do. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So, um, yeah, that's been really cool just to have a few and, you know, want to represent their brands and get their names out there and it's just been very grateful, very happy, very grateful. Who have been some of your major mentors that have formed your game of golf and formed you to who you are today? Um, again, back to Julie Inst. feel like she was Julie Eastern and Pat Hurst I played practice rounds with my uh rookie year on tour in Hawaii. And they both for whatever reason just took me under their wing and and were very helpful, you know, if I needed anything, needed advice, even now like when I was having kids, like Julie, how do you travel with kids? Like what do I do? You know, um so they've been very very helpful and it's really cool. So now um we've had a since I've been on tour um like a big sister program so to help the rookies if they need. So, I always put my name in cuz I remember being a rookie and I always say like I would love to write a book on what the steps are to like get through the LPGA or like what you have to do and um because there is a lot of information and it's it's scary. So, um I always put my name in to mentor, you know, one of the rookies to if they have any questions or need advice for anything to try to give back my time because I know how Julie Inkster and Pat Hurst were so helpful for me and I wouldn't have been able to do it without them. So, uh, I love helping the next generation and helping them out. Well, and they're getting younger and younger, too. I mean, you see the 17 year olds that are out there on tour now [clears throat] getting younger or even just the ones that are fully pregnant and trying to make it on tour. I'm like, "Oh, you guys, it's so tough. It's so difficult." I mean, I get it. You get Everybody does. It's It's just what you can do to just continue to the grind and the choices you have to make to try to try to make it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's tricky. It is. So, what advice would you give the younger Brittany when you were playing or starting off? Oh, man. I feel like I was always just kind of never give up. Um I feel like I just did that though. Like it was just kind of second nature of like this is what we're going to do. We're going to hit the golf ball. We're going to go find it and we're going to hit it again. Little white ball around. [laughter] Yeah. I try to remind myself of that now. when you like go to a tournament, you have a bad hole and it's like you get so like down on yourself, it's like try to play like your 16-year-old self. That girl didn't, you know, care that you just hit it in the tree. She was going to find a way to get that ball out and and get it up and down and make a par. So, um, yeah, I still try to remind myself of just being like your young self and and being like the kid that you used to be and enjoying the game and, you know, taking the good breaks with the bad breaks and whatever you shoot that day. It's just that's what you love about golf. Like one day you could shoot 65, the next day you could shoot 85. And it's like I ate the same meal last night. I wore the same socks. Like you do [clears throat] everything the same, but it's a totally different game. And it's always changing and it's never the same. And that's why we love it, though. I think, right, it's the bad shots that keep you coming back or the good ones. It's it's you just keep coming back. It's the grind of the golf. Yep. Exactly. But that's what gets you through it, too, though. Like you could have a bad day and it'll get you through it. Or you could have the best day of your life and play completely terrible and still come back tomorrow because it's a new day. Exactly. You never know what the next day is going to bring. [laughter] What do you think for the younger generation? What do you tell them or help them to get them into the game of golf? Um, that's a tricky one, especially girls because the golf is so slow. It takes a long time. Does um just [clears throat] kind of try to keep it fun. I love like the uh USJ LPJ girls golf programs or the first te programs. I think having kids together, whether it's a weekend clinic or some type of a clinic in the summer. Um the more kids involved when they're with their own kind of age range of kids, I think is really fun. Um just to keep their, you know, focus and and keeping them into it. Yeah. Um so just, you know, remind them to have fun. It's not don't take it too serious yet. we're still working on, you know, fundamentals and your stance and your grip and the basics. Um, and just never give up. Like, like I said, whether it's a high school level, maybe a a college scholarship for your parents, you know, or maybe you make it in the pros or even later in life in business, you know, entertaining clients on the golf course. You never know where golf is going to take you. And I've met so many amazing people. You never know who you're going to meet, um, or, you know, what that person can do for you someday. So, um, I always just try to remind them like you one step at a time. Don't take it too serious. You know, you're going to have good there's going to be more bad days probably than good days. Um, but it that's okay. It's part of the process. Never too late to start, too. I mean, I don't care if you're or 73. Just play, have fun, go out. Yeah. I know we have some ladies in our community that are like, "Ah, we should pick up golf. Our husband's playing." I'm like, "Yeah, let's let's go play like six holes or, you know, whatever it may be." like it doesn't cuz it takes long and if you're not a good player, you know, you're hitting it a lot of times and it's probably tiring. So, we go play four rolls, you know, whatever it may be. Just get outside. Go look and have fun or do what you do. Yes. Yeah. Just get out there. What do you think's next for you? Obviously, you're playing some things. Your kids are out there. You're doing what you're doing. Yeah. I feel like 2026 will look similar to this year. Just Yeah. maybe tee it up in a couple events just to kind of stay, you know, relevant or, you know, still dip my toe out there a little bit. Um, but it's been fun just doing these like charity fundraisers and proams, just, you know, meeting new people and wanting them to have a good time on the golf course in any way that I can help, you know, make that happen. So, um, it's probably be very similar. So, then I can be home and and not miss, you know, school things or when she's playing golf or te-ball or whatever it may be. So, um, still doing golf a little bit, but then also being a mom. And have someone reach out to you on Grant Thornton and get you out there playing in that, too. Yes. I don't I don't know very many of the PGA guys. There's I only know one Web Simpson uh because we played junior golf together and he was like, "Oh, sorry. I don't play golf in December." And I was like, "Ow, that's a horrible excuse." Terrible, right? Yes, I know. Have you watched any of the Internet Invitational at all or seen any of that? Uh, no. I should because that would be really fun. It's fun. I mean, it's it's fun to see the guys and the girls playing together and just it makes the average golfer think, "Hey, I can play this game." If they're out there playing, anybody and every play and it's fun to see. I mean, I would love to see some of the PGA and LPGA playing together and let them be miked up and let them be fun. Like that would be fun. Sponsorships aside, let them just play and have fun and do what they do on a normal weekend and y put it on HBO or YouTube or something, you know, just play. Yes. Yeah. So, we had the J C Penney Classic down the street. Um, used to be at Bardmore, used to be at Inisbrook. And I used to be the standard bear, like the one that held the sign with the scores on it. So, I did it so many years that the guy let me pick who I wanted to be with. And I always picked John Daly and Laura De because they're the hardest soul. They're the ones having holding the beer, having cigarettes, hitting it far. I loved watching them and then maybe like the leaders or a lead group on Sunday. Um, but yeah, I just I always thought, how cool would that be to play in this event one day and then of course they canceled it like shortly before I got on tour and I was like, "Oh, that's a bummer, right?" Yeah, I know. I mean, that's the same thing like put like even like the TGL league that's on there or anything like that. Just put a couple guys on there, a couple girls, give them some beers, let them go play out on a Saturday, mic them up and just do it. Let them want to do priceless. Yeah. Y that would be fun. That's what everybody wants to see. That's exactly stuff, right? Yep. [laughter] So, what's other than what's next? You do a lot of fishing. Where are some of your favorite fishing spots that you've gone? I've really only been here in Florida. We live uh kind of in the St. Pet St. Petersburg area. Um I I have fished in the in Hawaii, but uh mostly we just go here. So, my husband likes to catch triple tail. Really, he likes to catch anything that he can eat. I want to catch Moby Dick. I want to catch the biggest [laughter] shark, the biggest Goliath grouper, maybe a barracuda. It doesn't matter what it is. I just Yeah. [clears throat] When he wants to catch dinner, so it's a little bit tricky when I'm putting blood in the water and he's trying to catch dinner. [laughter] Gets gets a little You go in the front, I'll go in the back. Yeah. But just to be on the water, I mean, we've seen some cool stuff just being on the water, especially like the sea turtles and um the stingrays, manoray. I mean, that you just never know what you're going to see. Your phone doesn't work. It's just you and which is perfect. You don't want that phone on like you get tired of the social media. You get tired of all the all the other stuff. We used to do a lot of fishing prior to children and now we don't do as much. So, [laughter] yeah, we need to get back get back out there. kind of like one of the joys with golf, like let's put the phone down, let's just do what we do, be in our moment, and and forget about everything. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Well, we appreciate having you on today. Is there anything or any kind of advice that you'd give to the average golfer or anybody else out there? No, I think we hit it. You know, the average golfer, especially wanting more distance, but also just wanting to maybe shoot a better score, you know, flexibility is unfortunately part of it, right? Getting clubs that fit you properly, I think, is a huge thing. And then especially for the the younger ones, you know, just never give up. A game is hard. Everybody has ups and downs. Um it could be for your even just average listener, you know, there's always tomorrow. You know, the game it's such a wonderful game. Just just keep playing it. It's just a you can play this game until you're 100 and it's it's awesome. And don't give up. Just don't give up. Yeah. Get get on the grind. Get inspired. And yeah. And short game. Work on your short game. Yes. Absolutely. [clears throat] As much as you can. Yeah. But thank you so much for anyway. Appreciate having you on today. Yes. Thank you so much. Yes. And good luck with everything. Thanks. Thank you. See [music] you. Bye. [music]